...an operator at SPO, in practice, you'd be running a supernode. There are some examples of this, like Firefly, which is a kind of supernode maintained by Hyperledger. This supernode basically gives you the ability to plug in through containerization multiple chain structures, multiple chains, okay? The idea of having a common framework, a common ancestor, is there's a uniform process for the stake pool operator to have their Cardano container...

uh, but I'm pretty comfortable and happy with it. Prism's looking good too, you know, uh, we're on quarterly release cycles with the PI system that they have and are backfilling a lot of little things here and there. Uh, I'm definitely going to open Cour, and my hope is that it can become a Hyperledger project, be right up there with Indie, and the rest of the gang there. There's a lot to do though, uh, and uh.

Just like Linux with the Hyperledger Foundation and let me go and show you guys this because you might not be aware of it and it's super cool. So, if you go to hyperledger.org, take a look and see, wait a minute, Hyperledger is not just one thing. We all think Fabric, well actually no, there's also Solang, I think that's on the Solana side, Non-Creds, Bevel, Cacti, Caliper, Cello, Firefly, Sawtooth, Indie, Fabric, Desu, Aries. You click the full landscape, look at all this stuff.

You now have a model for your DApps to plug their repos, their code, and there's a broader collaborative structure and transitivity between these types of things. So, the Intersect as a members-based organization is very much just like Hyperledger or the broader Linux Foundation and that it becomes kind of a master of managing these types of concerns.

And hopefully grow and become its own thing. So, I put my money where my mouth was, opened up my wallet, and spent my own money to build a client from scratch. Now what's happened since that event, we've seen Mantis grow from a concept to an actual production system that now works both with Ethereum and Ethereum Classic. And members of the Ethereum Foundation have even reached out to us, asking us to find a way to change the software license, which we will do from MIT to Apache, and try to make it a Hyperledger project so that people in the Ethereum ecosystem can use our code base for their products and projects and it can be under good governance...

So, we'll talk to the existing members of the Ethereum Classic community and see if there's some way that our continued participation can be subsidized. If we can't come to that arrangement, what we're going to do is retire the Mantis client for the Ethereum classic. We'll continue to support the Hyperledger version if we can get it into the Hyperledger for Ethereum support, because there was commercial value in that...

Then when you talk about open-source project, that's more like HyperLedger fabric or Bitcoin and these projects are saying hey, there is no leader, there is no custodial company that runs everything. There's no beneficent dictator for life.

I generally don't worry about big companies releasing cryptocurrency protocols. What we found talking to IBM, Microsoft, Google and many others is they have. Very little interest on the cryptocurrency side of things and they do have some interest on the blockchain side of things and generally how that interest works is either they just join an alliance like Hyperledger or they have an internal team at their company that does a skunk works.

Thoughts on HyperLedger?

Hyperledger David is a real great collection of projects.

Hyperledger guys are quite interested in working with us in some capacity.

And I was like, whoa, OK, but it's very old industry, it's very prominent industry, and it controls basically a large chunk of the country's economy, about a million and a half farmers do nothing but coffee production. So we had a lot of great discretions with the Ministry of Science and Tech and we had a lot of great discretions with leaders including the World Bank and others who were embedded in Ethiopia about what would be low hanging fruit for us to actually get a high impact low resource pilots that we could run showcasing the value of blockchain technology, some of which could run on a permissionless Ledger like Cardano and some of which could run on a permission Ledger like things like Hyperledger Fabric or Enterprise Cardano and so forth.